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that would let taxes rise on the wealthiest households while protecting the vast majority of americans from tax hikes set to hit in january. welcome to the saturday edition of "and the washington journal." for the first 45 minutes of the program we are going to be talking about senate negotiating a fiscal clifts deal, what has been going on on that half of the capital. see what they are talking about and how things are going. we want to get your input and your part of the conversation. you can reach out to us on twitter. facebook, facebook.com/cspan. and you can send us an e-mail. this is more from the article, the lead story in "the washington post." they ride, the development marked a breakthrough after weeks of paralysis. joining us by phone is one of the authors of that article, and, laurie, welcome to the program. tell us, what kind of a deal did the president offered? what is new in the negotiations among the senators and between the senators and the white house? caller: there does not appear to be anything new. the policies they are talking about are the senate has been on the table
that protects the middle class from an income tax hike, extends vital unemployment insurance for americans looking for a job, and lays the groundwork for future progress. such a proposal could pass both houses with bipartisan majorities, as long as these leaders allow to come to a vote. if they still want to vote no, that is their prerogative. but they should let everybody else vote as well. that is the way this is supposed to work. we cannot afford a politically self-inflicted wound to our economy. the economy is growing. the folks you sent to washington have to do their jobs. the housing market is healing, but that could stall if folks are seeing smaller paychecks. unemployment rate is lowest it has been in 2008, but already families and businesses are starting to hold back because of the disfunction they see in washington. you meet your deadlines. you meet your responsibilities every single day. the folks you sent here to serve should do the same thing. we cannot let washington politics get in the way of america's progress. we've got to do what it takes to protect the middle class, prot
get another tax cut. i would argue we can't afford it as a country, but the question is, are we going to allow middle class families to see their taxes go up while we have this debate? if we can agree we will continue tax cuts for the middle class, everything else begins to fall into place. >> wlho is working at this moment? are you involved in this? >> i've been in touch with those involved in this. there is no deal yet. i continue to hope for a bipartisan agreement today. what we see a monumental failure of presidential leadership. the president is the only person with a pen to sign this, and it's the president's responsibility to work on something that the house will pass, the senate will pass and he will sign. he is outsourcing this. he continues to campaign and lecture when he ought to focus on the number one problem that hurt z us as a country, which is our debt. >> it would be nice to place all the blame on the president, but that's not the reality. in the house our democratic caucus is meeting later on today. we've been united as democrats in wanting to protect middle class fa
republicans have had trouble saying yes." what has been going on here? wanted to president's raise taxes for people making over $250,000 a year and do that with some budget cuts and some and tom reform and that he has not been able to get any kind of action from the republicans. he believes there is a negotiation in which he has been the only person willing to put forward any kind of compromise and the house republicans have not been able or willing to do. the vote john boehner schedule and had to cancel is evidence of that in the present cost mind -- in the president's mind. we have part of what speaker boehner said. "the comments today are ironic as a recurrent theme was his unwillingness to stand up to anything in his own party. from the republican side of the aisle and speaker boehner, where are things at the moment? guest: the speaker had been hoping there would be a larger deal. the president was ready to move forward on in the time they had in front of them. this was in vision at one point to be the grand bargain which would incorporate in atomic reform and all sorts of budget cut
. gregg: this is it. we are just hours away from falling off the so-called fiscal cliff. tax hikes for nearly every american. lots of different ones. spending cuts of totaling more than a trillion dollars. by all indications, nothing, we mean nothing has changed on capitol hill. senate majority leader harry reid saying significant distance remains between the two sides. good morning everyone, i'm gregg jarrett in for bill hemmer here in "america's newsroom.". >> i'm heather childers in for martha maccallum the senate gavels in at 11:00 a.m. we'll see if there was some miracle overnight. gregg: i doubt that. yesterday, republican senate leader mitch mcconnell made an emergency call to the vice president joe biden in an evident to jump-start negotiations. heather: if no deal is haed out today, majority leader reid says he will call a vote on a separate white house plan that reflects's original proposal. gregg: chief correspondent mike emanuel kicks off the coverage. mike, where do the things stand in the fiscal cliff talks at this critical late-stage? >> reporter: gregg, there seems
-called fiscal cliff. it's come down to a matter of hours. midnight tomorrow, everybody's taxes going up unless something happens in washington, d.c. hello to you all and welcome to weekends with alex witt. i'm t.j. holmes filling in for alex. a consequence of history in the nation's capital if congress cannot reach a compromise deal on tax and spending cuts. a short time ago, we were hearing from the president talking about the fiscal cliff negotiations. he spoke exclusively on "meet the press" and he had a message for congress. >> at minimum, make sure people's taxes don't go up and 2 million people don't lose their unemployment. i was modestly hopeful yesterday. now, the pressure is on congress to produce. >> the president responded to what would happen if no agreement is reached and the nation does fall over that cliff. >> if you look at projections of 2013, people generally felt that the economy would continue to grow, unemployment would tick down, housing would continue to improve, but what's been holding us back is the dysfunction here in washington. if people start seeing that on januar
. what tax and spending issues do need included in any compromise. republicans, your number is -- democrats -- independents -- if you are outside the u.s. -- you can also catch up with us on all your favorite social media sites, twitter, facebook, or e- mail us. a very good morning to you. taking to the latest headlines on the fiscal cliff. i will run a few -- through a few of them for you. from "the daily news" -- also "l.a. times" -- i will take to "a "boston globe"" -- "the boston globe" -- the new york post -- the story i want to start with this morning is from politico. that line is -- senate leaders are headed into a critical sunday session of congress with a similar mission to avoid historic tax hikes, setting the stage for a high wire a final act of fiscal cliff negotiating just two days before the country is hit with a series of tough austerity measures. -- that again is from politico this morning. you're getting your thoughts, and we want to hear your message to congress on the fiscal cliff negotiations. the politico story mentioned what was happening on saturday e
deal that involves an increase in taxes and we don't know what house democrats especially on the liberal side of the spectrum would think about any deal that extends the current estate tax which could be one possible area of compromise. in essence, it is difficult right now to seat senate and house action today. if we are talking about today leading into tomorrow and into the early hours of 2013, that is one possibility. another one could be that they reach a deal and come out holding hands and tell the world they made a deal and they wait for a day or so and come back before the new congress begins on january 3. >> i was going to ask you where the threshold is in terms of income levels. the president said $250,000 or above is considered wealthy. then that was moved to $400,000 and senator harkin said there is some discussion to where that line will be drawn. are you hearing specifics in terms of the tax issue? >> senator harkin and others like senator durbin said the latest democratic position which would have been given to republicans on saturday night was an offer of ke
to a deal. the white house had agreed to cut their tax ask by about 400 billion, to increase their spending cuts by another 400 billion and only ask for about half as much stimulus. they moved toward boehner by more than a trillion dollars. that was a lot of concessions from the team that had just won the election big. and they made them because they thought boehner was ready to say yes, the fiscal cliff would be averted, we'd have a good christmas and happy economic fun times for the economy would be right around the corner. they were wrong. >> we are nowhere when it comes to the fiscal cliff talks. let me tell you what's going to happen today. speaker john boehner, the republican speaker, is going to try to pass what he calls his plan b, which would just simply address tax rates for those making a million dollars or more and that's it. >> john boehner walked away from the obama administration's third offer. a giant, giant compromise. so he didn't like it when they led. he didn't like the 2340eshing. he decided instead to chart his own course called plan b. plan b was supposed to show pres
a 20% of gdp to 25% gdp and rather than cut spending raise taxes as necessary to support that spending and i would say that is in fact essentially the french model. and the question is whether it can support enough growth in the economy. >> paul: taxes are going up, we know that, spending, going up for sure even before the health care law kicks in. so, we are moving in that direction, particularly in the entitlement state. not reforming it, but actually expanding it. >> aen what happened this year was the supreme court helping this along, you have the justices essentially rewrite legislation changing the plain text that congress passed in order to declare obamacare constitutional, which is a little scary, that that highest justices in the land would take that sort of activist role and you mentioned france, dan, that's scary. the back drop of this whole presidential year is europe. we know where the path leads. and the turmoil and welfare states and how unsustainability and the high unemployment that comes with them and that was the back drop of our presidential campaign. >> paul: okay,
cliff. some $600 billion in automatic spending cuts and tax increases will take effect if no agreement is reached. obama and the rest of republicans remain of the impasse over the republican refusal to allow tax hikes even for the wealthiest americans. senate majority leader on thursday accused house speaker john boehner of holding up a deal. >> the american people i don't think understand the house representative is operating without the house of representatives. it is being operated with a dictatorship of the speaker, not allowing the vast majority of the house representatives to get what they want. >> adding to the urgency surrounding the talks, treasury secretary timothy geithner warned this week the u.s. will not be able to pay its creditors after monday unless the debt ceiling is raised. we will have more on the fiscal cliff talks, speaking with congressmember dennis kucinich after the headlines. environmental protection agency head lisa jackson has announced a resignation ahead of president obama's second term. jackson departs after a four- year tenure that saw advances in the r
, there are well down the light. they won the taxes now. by the time the cuts come in, this ought to be turned around and it was said, we do not need the cuts now that if it has turned around. host: lots of comments coming in of this but so far. one caller rights -- sarasota, florida on the line now. good morning, jill. caller: did morning. i have only one very short thing to say. listen, everyone out there. no matter what party believe in, they're used to be a wonderful country in africa called rhodesia. we are talking about african problems, but it was a bread basket country. produce things. now it is called zimbabwe. inflation is over 1000%. that is all i am going to say to the people watching and listening to this program because we are heading in the same direction. thank you and have a wonderful new year. host: a tear from bob now in the democrat light. caller: thank you for letting me have a chance to speak. i am more optimistic -- i a more pessimistic than optimistic. i just do not think they will ever get together like they should. my one comment is when they start speaking about the
on taxes and spending before the end of the year and they maybe get us into a recession, it's definitely happening. that was the whole point of president obama's press conference this afternoon. >> i still want to get this done. it's the right thing to do for our families, for our businesses, and for our entire economy. but the hour for immediate action is here. it is now. >> allow me a quick update here. that press conference, it came after president obama met with john boehner and nancy pelosi and harry reid and mitch mcconnell, so all the key congressional leaders. and listen to the president here. >> the american people are watching what we do here. obviously, their patience is already thin. this is deja vu all over again. america wonders why it is that in this town for some reason, you can't get stuff done in an organized timetable. why everything always has to wait until the last minute. well, we're now at the last minute. and the american people are not going to have any patience for a politically self-inflicted wound to our economy. not right now. i just have to repeat. you know,
they arote negotiating. coming up with ways to prevent tax hikes and spending cuts if no deal is reached before then. mitch mcconnell telling us they have been going back and forth all day and talks are continuing into the evening. no major progress though yet to report. and that is how fox reports on this saturday, december 29th. i'mm harris falkner. tomorrow, tune in for a specialal two-hour fox report as the fiscal cliff deadline nears on the eve of the last stock market day of theae year. we will be all over it with deadlines and they are trying to get a vote, something together. "huckabee" starts now. >> this week on the journal editorial report. a look back at the year that was and what is ahead for 2013. 2012 was a tough year for conservatives on the national level, but in the states, some hopeful signs of reform, and looking forward, is the economy headed for rebound orie session? will the new year bring a with iran? our panel is here with their prediction. >>> welcome to this special edition of "the journal editorial report" as we look back at the year that was and the challenge
the cliff. i'm. patti ann: i'm patti ann browne. they will try to avoid the across the board tax hikes for 90% of the american households and deep spending cuts. so far little to no progguess has been reported. gregg: chief white house correspondent ed henry is in the white us. ed, what do we expect out the meeting if any at all? our expectations are a little bit low. >> reporter: you're exactly right, gregg, expectations have to be low. lawmakers of both parties in conjunction with the president have missed one deadline after another. we have been saying for a couple weeks they had to get moving get this completed before christmas in order to give the house and senate time to debate and end up voting on whatever package they come up with. now that we're days away from actually going off the fiscal cliff where these automatic massive spending cuts as well as large tax increases got into effect you have to have low expectations. it appears the white house is very confident in waiting for the republicans to make the next move. they keep saying inside the white house this is up to the rep
.o.p. that they should not stand in the way of a last minute deal on the fiscal cliff, democrats demanding higher tax rates on the so-called wealthy. joining us now is former investment banker carol roth. a, it seems like a total standoff and b, seems like we're headed over that cliff, it looks like it. here is the question for you, carol, if we go over the that cliff what happens to the markets? >> well, stuart, i think if we go over the cliff, the markets are going to react negatively, they reacted negatively the last time we revisited the debt ceiling for tarp, so, i don't think that the markets are going to be particularly happy, but i don't know that it's necessarily for the right reasonss i to think that we're going to get a deal here, but i think it's going to end up happening late january, maybe middle of january, but at the end. day, stuart, it doesn't solve any of our problems. stuart: i agree, i agree. >> and i'm so frustrated that we're 13 months in, we've had 13 months to figure it out and we're at the 11th hour. stuart: everybody is. the mood of the country, furious nothing is happening
are still trying to forge a last-minute compromise to save all americans from a tax hook, but a cbs reporter tara mergener shows us, the deal they're thinking about now takes the can down the road again. >> reporter: senate republican leader mitch mcconnell left the capitol tight lipped and smiling after working behind closed doors to avoid the so- called fiscal cliff. >> need progress today, sir? >> reporter: he and harry reid are working on scaled-down agreement that focuses on avoiding a middle-class tax hike. the plan is to present it to the full senate for a vote on sunday and send it to the house and hoax john boehner was at the capitol and left with no comment. both sides remain at odds over the democrat's insistence that the wealthy pay more in taxes. >> the president's tax hook would only fund the government for eight days. americans deserve to know what is the president -- what does the president propose we do for the other 357 days of the year. >> reporter: president obama insists his plan on the table is fair and includes plenty of cuts to government spending. >> we just can't af
the threshold of tax increases. president obama campaigned on raising taxes on income over $250,000. while many congressional republicans have pushed back against any tax increases. president obama is placing the blame for the impasse on the gop. >> they say that their biggest priority is making sure that we deal with the deficit in a serious way but the way they're behaving is that their only priority is making sure that tax breaks for the wealthiest americans are protected. >> reporter: but senators say there is some movement on the issue. >> there's a lot of give and take going on right now but republicans don't want to see new revenues -- in other words, democrat tax increases -- be used for new spending. >> reporter: the president said if there is no deal by the end of the day, the senate should draw up legislation to extend the bush-era tax cuts for the middle class. >> there should be an up-or- down vote. everybody should have a right to vote on that. if republicans doesn't like it they can vote no but i think there is a majority support to make sure that middle class families are held h
in an effort to avoid those series of tax increases and spending cuts due to take effect next year. what we hear is the senate leaders are there. speaker boehner and minority leader nancy pelosi have yet to arrive, but now we're showing you live pictures. maybe somebody is going to get out of that car, and we'll see if any of the other leaders will be heading to the white house. this is speaker boehner right now heading into the white house. we'll keep you updated as this hour progresses here. >> indeed, meantime, more red arrows here on wall street as investors are awaiting for any signs of progress from the white house meeting which is about to get under way. right now we're sitting smack on 13,000. we've clawed back from being below that earlier on today. the nasdaq has also moved to the downside by half a percent as we speak. the s&p 500, as we speak, folks, is now down for the fifth straight day. i think it's down about 1.3% over the course of this week. so far let's see what happens over the last crucial hour of this trading day. >> so the clock is ticking. all eyes are on the white h
the processing of businesses enterprise tax forms for their employee tax credits. so the processing and administration and it should be making it easier for businesses in terms of even filling out their own forms. so this is now live, and available, and it's on the oewd website, when you go to the tax credit information on their oewd website. license 123, we're still targeting for our mid-january site to go live. we're still on track for that. >> great. >> and we should have for you -- we'll have a presentation for you at the january meeting. the small business net payroll exclusion, chrised forwarded you the press release that the tax and treasurer put out about it. there is no new form, but deals with it on the tax filing form. and and i think it should be pretty easy. small business saturday was a great success. san francisco did very well in terms of number of businesses participating, but we had a mayoral proclamation. the board of supervisors did a resolution. we had the mayor tweeting. there is also an official letter from the white house to acknowledge small business sa
. >> economist there that the combination of automatic spending cuts and tax increases could trigger a new recession. >> and spencer explains how negotiations today must now overcome a " major setback. >> there will be part of it that i find disgusting rest principle which i may have to swallow in the name of compromise. be a rare session on capitol hill. >> the senate will come to order. >> as lawmakers try to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff. >> both sides agreed to push forward. >> i want everyone to know i am willing to go the distance. but i need a dance partner. >> vice-president joe biden departure for mcconnell. >> if is not resolved by midnight tonight tax increases will be for all americans. >> one mom said to me in michigan that is four months' worth of groceries. >> that is gas for me back and forth to work. >> democrats won higher taxes on americans earning more than two of the $50,000 a year. >> republicans want taxes to stay where they are. >> others want to see government spending to inject. >> the president--has said nothing about the addition about the spending of his adm
is resolved by midnight, tax rates for all americans will increase and democrats say it means about $2,000 for the average middle class family. >> one mom said to me in michigan, that's four months groceries. that's commuting back and forth to work and gas for up to three years. i mean, that's a lot of money. >> reporter: democrats want higher taxes on families earning $250,000 a year and over. republicans want tax rates to stay where they are. taxes seem to be the biggest obstacle to a compromise but others want to government -- others want to see government spending put in check. >> the president is doing nothing about the addiction that his administration, he is the spender in chief. >> reporter: president obama says he is willing to do that. >> i offered over a trillion dollars in additional spending cuts so we would have $2 cuts for every $1 of increased revenue. >> senate is in recess. >> reporter: the senate reconvenes at 11 a.m. so as americans celebrate the beginning of 2013 they may wake up wishing it was 2012 when they had more money in their pockets. andrew spencer reporti
up, it would pass overwhelmingly speaking that 250 he is discussing that would keep tax rates where they are for income amount for less than $250,000 increased those earning more. house speaker says senator reed should talk less and legislate more. senate democrats have not. they want to extend all the current tax rates and avoid some of the spending cuts. democrats are on their opening offer. they basically have not moved anywhere. there is less than a week to go. >> senator reid talking about a less than $250,000 limit. speaking right. exactly. liz: more on the fiscal cliff. let's bring in peter. with us is former clinton advisor doug shoen. we have basically mr. boehner saying, look, you senate, you have not come up with anything. >> i think, unfortunately, we will probably get around it. i think it is a worse outcome to avoid the cliff then to go over it. i think we should broaden the discussion and look at what is going on around the world. look at japan and europe. the japanese government is the glaring war on japanese citizens. it will create inflation. if the japanese citize
bachelor degrees. the grant pays for itself in the decade. that increased federal income tax rate, it pays for the cost of the po grant. half of the students are not traditional students, but the half that are, they have a typical work load. yet 10 years to pay back the government for the cost of a grant. then there is a 14% return on investment. it is not as much of an advance from the federal government. we should stop thinking about this as being purely a personal benefit to the students. and there is all sorts of good that comes from higher education. there is a lot of good that stems from a college education and as a society, we should be putting the highest possible priority on it. we get what we sow, and you need to be thinking about where we want our society to be in a few decades, and the way to that, and ever improving society is through education, not cutting the one thing that is a real investment. >> another thing i would say, i will give you an example from a parent loan situation. if you get a client, you fail this credit check. you get about $4,000 extra in student loans. i
are meeting since november. economists hope they'll come up with a plan to avoid automatic tax increases and government spending cuts. some fear the meet as good just for show, however a big development with the senate minority leader. he spoke directly with the president for the first time in negotiations. >> i told the president we would be happy to look at whatever he proposes but the truth is we're coming up against a hard dead line here and as i said, this is a conversation we should have had months ago. >> the main sticking point is who should pay more in taxes. democrats want a hike on households making more than $400,000 a year and republican aids say their leaders might get on board with that offer. >>> meanwhile if they aren't able to avoid the fiscal cliff people here in alabama will be especially hard hit. that's because prop 30 will soon mean higher sales taxes and higher income taxes on the state's top earners, the fiscal cliff would add to that hitting all american with higher taxes. >> i don't know if there's a word to describe how upset the public is going to be. nobody'
to the house that will attempt to tackle out-of-control spending, extend tax cuts for all americans and preventing the devastating defense cuts before it's too late and hundreds of thousands of jobs are destroyed. in conclusion, god bless our troops and we will never forget september 11 and the global war on terrorism. congratulations, jay pierson, for your years of service. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. for what purpose does the gentleman from ohio rise? >> good morning, madam speaker. i ask unanimous consent to address the house for one minute. the speaker pro tempore: without objection. mr. kucinich: the question settling over this capital as we face the fiscal cliff, how could this be happening? it's hyperpartisanship meets citizens united. americans' politics are so saturated with money that we can't meet our obligations. it's working for pentagon contractors, for oil companies, for coal companies. it's for those who want to hold down wages and suppress the rights of workers. it's working for the drug companies who sweet our deal on the prescription
spending cuts and tax increases the triggering a recession. >> andrew spencer is lanes of negotiations they must know, " a major setback. >> as well marked makers or on avoiding the fiscal cliff. talks get " a major setback over social security benefits. both sides agree to push for. >> i wonder want to know i want to get this done. i need a dance partner. >> vice president joe biden is apparently that person for which mcconnell. >> the two are taking over talks. if nothing is resolved by midnight tonight. tax breaks for all americans will increase. democrats say it will mean about $2,000 for the average middle class family. >> a michigan woman said to me that is a month worth of groceries. also gets up to three years transportation to and from work. >> democrats want taxes to increase for americans earning over to london $50,000. republicans want texas a the same period >> republicans want taxes to stay the same period >> i offered over a trillion dollars in additional spending cuts so that we would have $2 of spending cuts for every $1 of increased revenue. >> the senate reconvenes a
remain before the u.s. goes over the edge. that means tax hikes and spending cuts that could trigger another recession. congressional leaders will meet today at 3:00 p.m. eastern time. the full house not even expected to return to work until sunday. here is the guest list for today's showdown. the president, vice president biden, senate majority leader harry reid and house minority leader nancy pelosi on the democratic side. house speaker john boehner, mitch mcconnell representing the republicans. brianna keilar live from washington. what do we expect to happen today? any new offers from the president or house speaker? >> we don't know. right now, all eyes on the senate to see what senate majority leader harry reid can cobble together to get some republican support. technically, it's still possible to come to an agreement. that said, politically is a different story, and the prospects for coming to a deal are starting to dim. right now, we're hearing a whole lot of the blame game. a lot of public posturing from both sides as they prepare for the possibility of going over the cliff. l
to true tax cheats -- and that doesn't mean something that's under discussion or under litigation. that's ones that have already been deemed tax cheats. and the second thing is to not pay money to people who are deceased already. what did we learn from katrina? we -- we learned that nearly a billion dollars of katrina money went to people who owed billions and billions of dollars to the federal government. so -- and these weren't disputable facts. these were real facts. we also learned that we spent significantly, over $100 million, granting grants and money to people who were deceased. so all we're saying in this bill let's learn from our mistakes and let's not do the same thing. so this puts a prohibition on money going to people who have a legitimate adjudicated claim by the i.r.s. against their not paying taxes due to the federal government that they in fact will not participate because they didn't participate. and the second thing is if in fact you don't exist anymore in life, you shouldn't be collecting money off our kids to pay for something that isn't a real need. the final poin
in sight just more of the same way blame game . e week before the taxes are going to sky rocket. steve is live in washington. >> good morning, gretchen and everybody. washington is shut down for the christmas holiday . when everybody does come back to town, the ball will be in the democrat's court because speaker boehner was unable to bring his on board. for the plan b. >> onous is on senator reid and the president to come up with a solution and present it to the house and get back to the bargaining table. >> now the president has insisted on a tax hike for the healthy but wants that at $250,000 or $400,000 and not one mill yen and even though the president scaled back his expectations for what can be accomplished some democrats said a grand bargain shouldn't be that hard to reach. >> we ought to take peeker boehner and the president's last offer and split the difference and it would be a package 2.6 trillion can couple that with 1.1 trillion and that would be close to four trillion needed to stabilize the debt and bring it down. >> the president and members was congress will return to
-standing relationship with. >> anyway you are doing a good job. >> i have this little gas tax bill though that i'm starting out minimally. i'm not giving -- getting any support, even minimally. i bet on all my arguments and i have people worrying about it now. they won't raise taxes because grover said no. >> when coburn takes off 6 billion on ethanol and grover calls it a tax increase, i called him. >> tom is helping on this. i'm gaining ground. >> is she well? and to listen there. sam donaldson said he would. >> would you mind holding this book for her one of our member's? >> i didn't write this book. i don't get any money out of this. the money goes to the author. i don't get any. no, it's true. >> thank you so much, sir. thank you so much. >> you are welcome. yours get special care. >> hello, senator. i used to work with michael toner at center thurmond's office in the 80's and this is my husband. we are big fans of yours. >> i needed in my line of work. >> you are sweetheart. it's so nice to see you and i can't wait to read this. a. >> it's a good book. i will personalize it. >> we are gett
of the estate tax because they will have to give something on the rates, and they want to push the threathold of the rate increase as high as they could and go back to the $400,000 that they were offered from the president before. >> right. >> and all of that is absolutely true, and also in addition, what we are looking at of course is the poll numbers. when you talked, i thought it was brilliant that you said that we are the cop tes tantntestant the reality when you look at the republican actions in particular, and the republican actions are polling 20% approval and the president is polling 50% approval, but the 20% approval is about the action on the cliff and not how they play in their individual districts. so when you travel around the country, and i have been to e tea party country in arizona, et cetera, there is a huge incentive for some of the more junior members of congress to stand their ground. it doesn't have to do with the fiscal math of the country, but it has to do with the electoral math of the home districts. >> and i think that she has put the finger on the thing that we are
roundtablers pick? was the smartest obama decision to campaign relentlessly on raising taxes on the rich? or was it the early takedown of mitt romney in all those ads last spring that painted him as a rich guy? or the high-tech multimillion dollar back room operation to identify every obama vote and then turn it out on election day? for finally, was the smartest obama decision just bring it in, bubba? >> no president, not me, not any of my predecessors, no one could have fully repaired all the damage that he found in just four years. chris: was that stacking the deck, mike? >> all good. the one they think wargs the brilliant one was betting that if they spent $150 million in nine or 10 states over the summer, it would pay dividends when the thing got tough. and they bet it when they didn't know they would have money later. chris: to bring down romney. >> as a rich plutocrat. they knew that would help them later if it got tight and it did get tight. obama told people in the summer what are you doing? what are you thinking? i want to keep it close now and win it in the debates. that's pret
, millions of americans don't even know there are about $260 billion worth of obamacare taxes coming their way beginning january 1 in everything from medical devices traditional search taxes on investment income. it is about half the size of the fiscal cliff, if you will, tax hikes that could well be added to them if the year finishes the way we stand right now. >> absolutely, lou. i found it interesting if you read the affordable correct many of the onerous mandate created by obamacare were exempted for the unions so i found it interesting that the administration is looking out for the union and not looking out for the state and individual citizens to bearey the load of this. lou: your ground operation would have been a little stronger. you could have prevented people of laws.sorts you don't find that as fair and equitable, right? >> we challenged on constitutional grounds, w but dd not quite get it all. lou: more lawsuits to come and we will see how those, as well. the great state of south carolina. great fobeing with us. hsbc agrees to being a mexican drug cartel bank. terrorists.
. he gets all this additional tax revenue for new programs. he gets to cut the military, which democrats have been calling for for years, and he gets to blame republicans for it. >> so, hey, merry christmas. our white house correspondent brianna keilar is traveling with the president in honolulu. brianna, are the white house and republicans even talking? >> reporter: no. they're not, carol. there's no substantive discussions going on between the white house and senate democrats and senate republicans and house republicans. and this is key because in order for the cliff to be averted, there will need to be something passed through congress in both the senate and the house that would require the work of both democrats and republicans. that is very much an issue as all attention now turns toward the senate, which will reconvene on thursday. a lot of focus there. that's where things are expected to start. right now the white house is still saying that they want a plan to avert tax hikes for folks making $25000 or less. it's sort of unlikely, it seems, that republicans would support
't think said people exist in the republican party. listen, the answer is grover norquist no new tax pledge. that alone would free the republican party to engage in good faith, sensitive negotiations. everybody knows that our taxes are now at an historic low in the contemporary era and they're going to go out sort of naturally. and with the aging of the population, i guarantee you will be somewhere around 22% gdp. wouldn't it be nice if we could acknowledge that and say what's the most bowl, efficient way to structure a tax system, probably progressive consumption tax direct it in ways to accomplish a whole host of object is. as long as you have that pledge to which members signed, it's hopeless. the republican party cannot be a player in any constructive resolution of the problems confronting the country. there is no political space for a third-party to occupy. it's based on a presumption. we have two extreme parties and there's this great center to mobilize and i'm deeply skeptical that there's room for such a party and would really play a constructive role. is it going to get worse than
that my political hero had to be bernie sanders. he started talking about not paying taxes on the high end. i say bernie sanders got it right. ask anybody about the rich paying taxes. that's the problem right there. we need to take our fight to the top like it is supposed to be. obama should stand his ground. he tried to lead and they told him no. let's get that fixed and the bottom will come up. that's what they mean by a rising tide raises all boats. host: what makes a hero politically in your mind? wisconsin on the independent line. caller: mine would be governor chris christie from pennsylvania. host: new jersey? sorry. i'm and booker. host: cory booker. caller: they differ, their politics. they do not hate each other. they are trying. like the others i see, they do not like -- if a democrat does it, they do not like it if you are a republican. as long as it comes from congress, they do not like it. host: talk a little bit -- who in the past would be political heroes to you? caller: in the past? the guy from south africa. nelson mandela. look what he did. the idea of using soccer. that
from the automatic spending cuts that go into effect in january and deal with a saner tax system. we can follow a framework as recommended by the simpson- bowles commission that will allow us to protect benefits but will also make some of the tough choices that kelly was talking about. i think we have to put everything on the table for that kind of a deal. we have to look at revenues. we have to look of the domestic side of the budget. we of the look of the defense -- we have to look at the defense side. and we have to look at the mandatory program. i think we do have to make some tough choices. but i also believe that getting that done will provide tremendous certainty for businesses in this country, for families so they know what we are expecting. and that that will really give our economy a shot in the arm, and get money off the sidelines and allow business to invest in with that creates jobs. that is what we need to do for the future. now, the other party that i have been working on and that we have made some progress but we will continue is the country's energy policy. my focus
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